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hyalma о псевдонимах Толкина.
GETTING IT WRONG
The following are a few of the many current misconceptions, distortions and downright inaccuracies that frequently appear - in the press, the broadcast media, on the web and even sometimes in printed books - about J.R.R. Tolkien, his works, his friends and family, and his admirers. Please don’t repeat them, and rebut them when you get the chance.
C.S. Lewis, on hearing a reading from a draft of The Lord of the Rings, exclaimed disgustedly: “Another fucking elf!”
No he didn’t. If anyone, it was Hugo Dyson, another Inkling, who disliked readings at Inkling gatherings in general, and Tolkien’s works in particular. The source of this seems to be A.N. Wilson’s biography of C.S. Lewis (London: Collins, 1990), where Wilson recounts how after 1945 Christopher Tolkien took over the readings from his father: “[...] But he could not be sure that his readings would not be interrupted by Dyson, lying on the sofa with his club foot in the air and a glass of whisky in his hand, snorting, grunting and exhaling - ‘Oh fuck, not another elf!’” (p.217) In fact even this seems doubtful, as the use of “fucking” at that period and in these circumstances would have been perceived as not only highly inappropriate, but aggressively rude. According to Christopher Tolkien, at worst Dyson is likely to have said: “Oh, no more bloody elves!” Dyson had in any case long been opposed to the idea of Inklings reading work-in-progress at meetings, preferring general conversation.
C.S.Lewis on the contrary was one of the earliest and most vocal enthusiasts for The Lord of The Rings, having followed its progress devotedly over the years. His over-the-top recommendation appeared on the jacket of the first edition, and he gave it rave reviews wherever he could.
J.R.R. Tolkien was known to his friends and colleagues as “Tolly” or “J.R.R.”
Actually “Tollers”*, and he seems to have been called that mainly by C.S. Lewis. In the family and to his boyhood friends he was most frequently called Ronald, sometimes John Ronald. In the early / middle 20th century, in the largely male academic circles where Tolkien spent most of his life, men were usually addressed by their simple surname, even by quite close friends, so he was simply “Tolkien”. “Tollers” is a public-school (i.e. preppy) type of jocular abbreviation. He was never addressed as, or referred to as, “J.R.R.” by anybody.
Incidentally, at this period in popular culture “Tolly” usually referred to Tollemache’s Pale Ale.
When lecturing, Tolkien would dress in Viking costume, complete with battleaxe.
This seems bizarrely unlikely to anybody who knew him. It derives from a passing comment in Elaine Showalter’s Teaching Literature, and is possibly a conflation of Tolkien’s early association with a graduate student group called “Kolbítar”, which met to read and discuss Old Norse sagas, and C.S. Lewis’s reputed wielding of a sword in a tutorial.
The reason why Tolkien rated so highly in “Book / author of the century” polls is because of a well-orchestrated write-in by the Tolkien Society.
This assertion was made on no evidence whatsoever by various literary personalities in the wake of the Channel 4/Waterstone’s poll. So far from sending in multiple entries, many (possibly most) members of the Tolkien Society did not vote at all, either out of indifference to polls or a dislike of literary league tables. Nobody has ever produced any evidence of an attempt to distort the polls in this way, but the assertion is still occasionally made.
Those who read Tolkien never read anything else (with the possible exception of Harry Potter).
This is another assertion frequently made on no evidence whatsoever. The bookshelves of the present writer include works by Austen, E.F. Benson, Camus, Robertson Davies, Dickens, Golding, Gárdonyi, Ilf and Petrov, Joyce, Kundera, Le Guin, V.S. Naipaul, Orwell, Sartre, D.L. Sayers, Tolstoy, Virginia Woolf - to take a random sample just of the fiction. As well, of course, as Tolkien. And the present writer is not exceptional in the ranks of the Tolkien Society.
Members of the Tolkien Society get together at “moots” to dress up as characters from Tolkien.
There is a smidgen of truth in this. The Tolkien Society holds an annual “Oxonmoot” at Oxford in September, with a number of events, which include, as well as a serious of more or less serious talks, meetings, games and so forth, a masquerade for those who with a fancy for costumes (a minority of those attending). Compared to what occurs at many science-fiction and fantasy conventions, to say nothing of events celebrating Sherlock Holmes and Dickens, the whole business is really rather restrained. Certainly costume is not worn at the other main national meetings (the Annual General Meeting and the Seminar), unless black tie counts as costume. Local (“smial”) moots do not normally involve costume of any sort.
Christopher Tolkien was driven out of Britain by crazed fans and now lives in seclusion in the South of France at a hidden address on a vast estate guarded by a troop of wild boars.
Christopher Tolkien does actually live in a small town in Southern France, presumably because, like many other well-off British expatriates, he likes it there. That is correct; the rest of the above is a mixture of distortion, half-truth, and (mainly) falsehood. If you see any stories about Christopher Tolkien in the press, unless he actually wrote them himself, it’s safest to assume that it’s unfounded rumour.
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* I don't think I've ever heard the word "toller" used. The usages named fit "toll", except for "provocation", which I've never come across.
hyalma о псевдонимах Толкина. 
GETTING IT WRONG
The following are a few of the many current misconceptions, distortions and downright inaccuracies that frequently appear - in the press, the broadcast media, on the web and even sometimes in printed books - about J.R.R. Tolkien, his works, his friends and family, and his admirers. Please don’t repeat them, and rebut them when you get the chance.
C.S. Lewis, on hearing a reading from a draft of The Lord of the Rings, exclaimed disgustedly: “Another fucking elf!”
No he didn’t. If anyone, it was Hugo Dyson, another Inkling, who disliked readings at Inkling gatherings in general, and Tolkien’s works in particular. The source of this seems to be A.N. Wilson’s biography of C.S. Lewis (London: Collins, 1990), where Wilson recounts how after 1945 Christopher Tolkien took over the readings from his father: “[...] But he could not be sure that his readings would not be interrupted by Dyson, lying on the sofa with his club foot in the air and a glass of whisky in his hand, snorting, grunting and exhaling - ‘Oh fuck, not another elf!’” (p.217) In fact even this seems doubtful, as the use of “fucking” at that period and in these circumstances would have been perceived as not only highly inappropriate, but aggressively rude. According to Christopher Tolkien, at worst Dyson is likely to have said: “Oh, no more bloody elves!” Dyson had in any case long been opposed to the idea of Inklings reading work-in-progress at meetings, preferring general conversation.
C.S.Lewis on the contrary was one of the earliest and most vocal enthusiasts for The Lord of The Rings, having followed its progress devotedly over the years. His over-the-top recommendation appeared on the jacket of the first edition, and he gave it rave reviews wherever he could.
J.R.R. Tolkien was known to his friends and colleagues as “Tolly” or “J.R.R.”
Actually “Tollers”*, and he seems to have been called that mainly by C.S. Lewis. In the family and to his boyhood friends he was most frequently called Ronald, sometimes John Ronald. In the early / middle 20th century, in the largely male academic circles where Tolkien spent most of his life, men were usually addressed by their simple surname, even by quite close friends, so he was simply “Tolkien”. “Tollers” is a public-school (i.e. preppy) type of jocular abbreviation. He was never addressed as, or referred to as, “J.R.R.” by anybody.
Incidentally, at this period in popular culture “Tolly” usually referred to Tollemache’s Pale Ale.
When lecturing, Tolkien would dress in Viking costume, complete with battleaxe.
This seems bizarrely unlikely to anybody who knew him. It derives from a passing comment in Elaine Showalter’s Teaching Literature, and is possibly a conflation of Tolkien’s early association with a graduate student group called “Kolbítar”, which met to read and discuss Old Norse sagas, and C.S. Lewis’s reputed wielding of a sword in a tutorial.
The reason why Tolkien rated so highly in “Book / author of the century” polls is because of a well-orchestrated write-in by the Tolkien Society.
This assertion was made on no evidence whatsoever by various literary personalities in the wake of the Channel 4/Waterstone’s poll. So far from sending in multiple entries, many (possibly most) members of the Tolkien Society did not vote at all, either out of indifference to polls or a dislike of literary league tables. Nobody has ever produced any evidence of an attempt to distort the polls in this way, but the assertion is still occasionally made.
Those who read Tolkien never read anything else (with the possible exception of Harry Potter).
This is another assertion frequently made on no evidence whatsoever. The bookshelves of the present writer include works by Austen, E.F. Benson, Camus, Robertson Davies, Dickens, Golding, Gárdonyi, Ilf and Petrov, Joyce, Kundera, Le Guin, V.S. Naipaul, Orwell, Sartre, D.L. Sayers, Tolstoy, Virginia Woolf - to take a random sample just of the fiction. As well, of course, as Tolkien. And the present writer is not exceptional in the ranks of the Tolkien Society.
Members of the Tolkien Society get together at “moots” to dress up as characters from Tolkien.
There is a smidgen of truth in this. The Tolkien Society holds an annual “Oxonmoot” at Oxford in September, with a number of events, which include, as well as a serious of more or less serious talks, meetings, games and so forth, a masquerade for those who with a fancy for costumes (a minority of those attending). Compared to what occurs at many science-fiction and fantasy conventions, to say nothing of events celebrating Sherlock Holmes and Dickens, the whole business is really rather restrained. Certainly costume is not worn at the other main national meetings (the Annual General Meeting and the Seminar), unless black tie counts as costume. Local (“smial”) moots do not normally involve costume of any sort.
Christopher Tolkien was driven out of Britain by crazed fans and now lives in seclusion in the South of France at a hidden address on a vast estate guarded by a troop of wild boars.
Christopher Tolkien does actually live in a small town in Southern France, presumably because, like many other well-off British expatriates, he likes it there. That is correct; the rest of the above is a mixture of distortion, half-truth, and (mainly) falsehood. If you see any stories about Christopher Tolkien in the press, unless he actually wrote them himself, it’s safest to assume that it’s unfounded rumour.
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* I don't think I've ever heard the word "toller" used. The usages named fit "toll", except for "provocation", which I've never come across.
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Date: 2006-11-02 09:18 pm (UTC)Надо мне, кстати, проверить, откуда там в моем посте взялась информация насчет того, что коллеги его называли J.R.R.T.
Наверное, на нашем материале тоже можно подобный списочек составить :-)
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Date: 2006-11-02 09:26 pm (UTC)У нас когда-то народ составлял список фэндомских глюков. На рассылке Белерианд, если не ошибаюсь. :))
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Date: 2006-11-03 08:00 am (UTC)Пункт номер 7 меня особенно пробрал:) Мы ведь, фэны, такие - от нас только дикими вепрями и убережешься!:)
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Date: 2006-11-03 08:21 am (UTC)А еще говорят, что любил, попивая чаек на втором этаже у окна, бросаться в прохожих кусками сахара :))
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Date: 2006-11-03 09:47 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2006-11-03 09:57 am (UTC)(Хамфри Карпентер Дж. Р. Р. Толкин: Биография)
Ну а лекции тут причем? На Новый год кто только в кого не наряжается. :))
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Date: 2006-11-03 09:58 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2006-11-03 10:05 am (UTC)Edith and Ronald took to frequenting Birmingam teashops, especially one that had a balcony overlooking the pavement. There they would sit and throw sugar-lumps into the hats of passers-by, moving to the next table when the sugar-bowl was empty.
:-))
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Date: 2006-11-07 10:02 am (UTC)А толкиновское общество надо утешить, что про них ЕЩЕ МАЛО рассказывают, и сделать выборку того, что пишут тут про нас... ;-)
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Date: 2006-11-07 11:01 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2006-11-10 11:12 am (UTC)Мой мэйл: nightstrider(гав)yandex.ru
Спасибо зараннее!
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Date: 2006-11-10 11:24 am (UTC)И какой именно отрывок нужен?
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Date: 2006-11-10 05:19 pm (UTC)Отрывок: со слов "On an evening of autumn Felagund and Beren set out from Nargothrond with their ten companions" до "But Finrod walks with Finarfin his father beneath the trees in Eldamar".
Будем очень признательны за помощь!
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Date: 2006-11-10 11:20 pm (UTC)Кроме того, в сети еще можно найти перевод Бобырь. Если не получится, дайте знать, у меня он тоже есть.
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Date: 2006-11-11 08:02 am (UTC)